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Yeah, I probably shouldn't have used the rank example. It derailed my point which was that I couldn't find any common name rule in the Credits section of the rules. Could someone point me to where the rule is spelled out explicitly? I get that there's this passage:
"It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT. If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary. However, in most cases it is not required."
But I'm asking if it's stated more explicitly somewhere else. The above seems implicit rather than explicit, though i get with Ken Code being mostly absent nowadays we have to work with what we've got.
I mainly ask because I'm on the spectrum and have OCD. Since people keep referring to a common name rule I keep wondering if I'm overlooking some passage. | Posted: Topic Replies: 10, Topic Views: 1082 |  | Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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For database purposes, you just follow the rules. Nothing else matters.
Which is one reason I raised the question. The rules aren't explicit that you attach a cast or crew member to their common name. For Credits, this is the only reference to common name:
"It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT. If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary. However, in most cases it is not required."
That would certainly seem to favour the common name but the rules don't explicitly say you have to default to it. In fact the rules provide a scenario where using the common name would not be permitted:
"Military rank/affiliation or other honorifics should be included in the 'Credited As' field. Example: a credit of "Cpl. John Smith, USMC" should be entered as First Name: "John", Last Name "Smith", Credited As "Cpl. John Smith, USMC""
Let's say hypothetically that Cpl. John Smith, USMC was an actor's common name. You would nevertheless list them as John Smith.
Don't get me wrong: I lean towards the common name in this instance myself. I'm just pointing out that it's not an explicit rule and more something unofficial that pretty much everyone agrees on. So I wanted to hear people's thoughts on whether anyone thought this should be an exception since the rules don't explicitly answer that.
Regardless, if we're going with the common name, then Page needs to be added to the list of confirmed common names. So another reason I created this thread was to flag that in the event that things went that way, which seemed probable. | Posted: Topic Replies: 10, Topic Views: 1082 | | We all know what Elliot Page's common name is. I don't think we need to list all the titles. Where things get tricky is that the transgender community strongly opposes any use of dead names. I don't agree where it comes to the issue of notability; for better or worse he has greater notability under his dead name (rhymes with Helen if you don't keep up with celebrity news) than his preferred name. But since his is credited for both seasons of Umbrella Academy as Elliot and everywhere else under the dead name, how do we best address this? The convention is to go with the common name, but since this if I understand right is more a preference on this site rather than a hard and fast rule, do we want to respect what his wishes seem to be for this sort of thing?
And please let's not go into one's personal opinions on gender dysphoria and focus solely on the naming aspect. | Posted: Topic Replies: 10, Topic Views: 1082 | | | The issue I see with Featuring et al is that they tend to be sub-sections in the opening credits but not in the closing credits even though the same actor is listed in both. In contrast people under Soldiers, etc. generally don't even make the opening credits, so it's less likely for cast member to be in a sub-section at the start of the movie/show but not at the end. That said, it's a relatively minor issue so if someone put them in, I wouldn't get into an edit war over it. | Posted: Topic Replies: 5, Topic Views: 2790 | | | Confusing matters further is that sometimes which letters are capitalized is clearly an artistic choice that shouldn't be changed, e.g. eXistenz. Making the first e capital would distract from the filmmakers clearly wanting the X to stand out. | Posted: Topic Replies: 3, Topic Views: 3951 | |
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