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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
This the fatal flaw with the linking system as it stands.
However, this argument is not new. The simple answer - with the program/system working as it currently does - is that you have to do the work to correct it yourself.
THIS is what many people don't want to do. Agreed, but isn't this what "user-built" database means? We are there to enter, correct and maintain the collected data? I just don't see how a system like the one from IMDb is supposed to help us with linking as such. It simply shifts the problem to another level. Example: Actor "John Doe". I have an On-Screen credit for "Jon Doe". With our "Common Name" system I have to find out if these two are identical or not, IMDb system now is sooo much easier, because all I'd have to find out is whether these two are identical or not ... Oooops | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMHO Cast & Crew part of DVDP db suck, and I've personally given up on it, BUT it's unfair to judge the whole db just based on these two fields. If I like to get some info about DVD/BD/HD DVD releases I use DVDP db (because it's ment for that purpose and is the best I know), but if I like to get Cast & Crew info I use IMDB (because it's ment for that purpose and is the best I know). Like I've said before, apples and oranges.
I hope Ken will fix the linking system in future releases, and maybe we will even get separated dbs for film and release data. When (if) this happens I'm ready to put my effort back to Cast & Crew fields. At present I always do otherwise full audits, except Cast & Crew. I'll do C&C only for films that doesn't have that info in DVDP db at all. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JMG51: Quote:
I call the DVDP database what it is. Like it or not, up to you. If you don't think the DVDP database is inept, full of errors and omissions then that in itself says a lot...says everything really. Yes, it does...but not about him.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,461 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
So, I make my profiles as good as I can and I contribute them primarily as a back-up to my database; but also for the very, very, very small percentage of users who deserve them. This statement surprises me. Sounds a bit "holier than thou," which perhaps you didn't mean. Why wouldn't every user that paid Invelos the fee, and abides by all other rules, deserve the benefits advertised for the program? Your efforts, along with many others help bring value to the program, and draws new customers. That's part of what makes it possible for Invelos to not raise its fees. So, keep up the good work, and I assure you it has impact and value far beyond just a small percentage of users. | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 26, 2007 | | Posts: 77 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JMG51: Quote:
To Invisibleman (apt moniker, btw) :
Have you tried EMDB? Does what you want, imports data from IMDB, but it is a very basic program (eg: no crew, other than director). Maybe you can work out a way to import data from one to the other Hello JMG51, Thanks for pointing this out. But yes, I have tried this one and all others mentioned in this threat (and more), but as program goes, DVD profiler is still the best. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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So, I make my profiles as good as I can and I contribute them primarily as a back-up to my database; but also for the very, very, very small percentage of users who deserve them.
This statement surprises me. Sounds a bit "holier than thou," which perhaps you didn't mean.
Why wouldn't every user that paid Invelos the fee, and abides by all other rules, deserve the benefits advertised for the program? In what way it is? If people don't contribute to the database they have no right to complaint about it. They can suggest improvment on the program sure, but if it's about the database (something they don't care about enough to add value to it) they can STFU and sit on their lazy ass. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
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In what way it is? If people don't contribute to the database they have no right to complaint about it. They can suggest improvment on the program sure, but if it's about the database (something they don't care about enough to add value to it) they can STFU and sit on their lazy ass. I respectfully disagree. (they can sit on a lazy arse though -- I like that too  ) If someone feels the cast and crew data can be improved, whatever way, they should be able to propose that. Even if they never contributed. That said, I do not approve of a needlessly offensive word like "inept". Neither do I like true laziness, as the specific suggestion of IMDb c&c has come up every two months or so the last decade, continuously (!). Anyone should make a bit of effort to peruse the fora threads and it is not really that difficult to find the numerous exchanges about it -- including why (!) Invelos won't do it. If that is what you meant, we're OK  | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. | | | | Last edited: by eommen |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,461 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
In what way it is? If people don't contribute to the database they have no right to complaint about it. They can suggest improvment on the program sure, but if it's about the database (something they don't care about enough to add value to it) they can STFU and sit on their lazy ass. No point in arguing something with you, for which your mind is made up. But I can offer an example in the hopes you can understand my point: Invelos offers plugins to anybody who wants to register. Anyone can write plugins. Plugins are the official way of making modifications to the program. Invelos provides a couple, and users provide quite a few. Suppose I took the attitude that if you don't / can't write plugins, you have no right to complain about missing functions in the program? Well that would be ridiculous on my part. Not everybody wants to or is able to write plugins. Sometimes people ask for things that can be solved with a simple script, or HTML section: not everybody wants to, or is able to do those things. I can't do / don't want to do database. I can do / want to do plugins. That's me. You do database (maybe also plugins - I'm not sure). That's you. Somebody else might do both. Others might do neither one, but are active in the forums with ideas, help, etc. Some (most?) people do nothing but use the program. All of us have the right to interact with Invelos on aspects of the program and database, website - anything that is part of the value proposition that we paid for. You are entitled to your opinion, it just doesn't have to be so self-righteous, that's all I'm saying. | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Quoting Jimmy S:
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In what way it is? If people don't contribute to the database they have no right to complaint about it. They can suggest improvment on the program sure, but if it's about the database (something they don't care about enough to add value to it) they can STFU and sit on their lazy ass.
No point in arguing something with you, for which your mind is made up.
But I can offer an example in the hopes you can understand my point:
Invelos offers plugins to anybody who wants to register. Anyone can write plugins. Plugins are the official way of making modifications to the program. Invelos provides a couple, and users provide quite a few.
Suppose I took the attitude that if you don't / can't write plugins, you have no right to complain about missing functions in the program? Well that would be ridiculous on my part. Not everybody wants to or is able to write plugins.
Sometimes people ask for things that can be solved with a simple script, or HTML section: not everybody wants to, or is able to do those things.
I can't do / don't want to do database. I can do / want to do plugins. That's me.
You do database (maybe also plugins - I'm not sure). That's you.
Somebody else might do both.
Others might do neither one, but are active in the forums with ideas, help, etc.
Some (most?) people do nothing but use the program.
All of us have the right to interact with Invelos on aspects of the program and database, website - anything that is part of the value proposition that we paid for.
You are entitled to your opinion, it just doesn't have to be so self-righteous, that's all I'm saying.  | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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So, I make my profiles as good as I can and I contribute them primarily as a back-up to my database; but also for the very, very, very small percentage of users who deserve them.
This statement surprises me. Sounds a bit "holier than thou," which perhaps you didn't mean.
Why wouldn't every user that paid Invelos the fee, and abides by all other rules, deserve the benefits advertised for the program? Your efforts, along with many others help bring value to the program, and draws new customers. That's part of what makes it possible for Invelos to not raise its fees.
So, keep up the good work, and I assure you it has impact and value far beyond just a small percentage of users. When I do a full audit on a profile I am doing it for myself. I upload it to the online database because then I know that what I've done will be available as a download should anything happen to my local database. An added side effect of that is that OTHER people will also benefit from the work I've done. In MY OPINION only a small percentage of those people deserve to have that work (other people who contribute to Profiler in some way - whether through contributions, plugins, layouts etc etc). But as far as I am concerned all the people who do NOTHING to improve this program don't deserve the work I do. I don't care if they've paid for the program and are technically entitled to it. It's my time and effort that went into it. It's not a stance I expect anyone else to feel; it's just how I personally feel. I also do not think that someone who does not take part in something has a right to complain. I have no understanding of plugins or html; so I would never dream of criticising the work of someone who does. I may ask for modifications; but I would never dream of saying something like 'your work is inept and rubbish' - which is what many people are saying about the DVDP database. A database I put a lot of time and effort into. Likewise with cast and crew (or any other section within the program). If someone takes the time to contribute; they understand how much effort goes into whatever they're doing. They are 'informed' and can make a judgement on whether that section works sufficiently. But, if someone criticises without any real understanding of what they're talking about that just makes them ignorant in my opinion. I have no interest in or understanding of politics (very dumb in this day and age, I know!) - so, as far as I am concerned, if I can't take the time to learn about it I don't have the right to moan about it not working. I have no problem with constructive criticism or suggestions; but disrespect is another matter. Why should I (or anyone) listen to someone who contributes nothing, knows nothing about what goes into something but still expects everything done for them? Every time I've stopped contributing it's because I see a thread like this and wonder why I bother. Every time I re-start it's because I realise I am cutting myself off from an additional back-up to my work; and because there are other contributors who DO value and appreciate my efforts. Now, if you want to call this attitude 'holier than thou' then so be it. I don't care what any DVDP user thinks about my views or opinions. I just want them to care about our database! | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,461 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, I see where you are coming from. We just have different styles. So be it.
Anyways, keep those contributions coming - please don't get discouraged! | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
But as far as I am concerned all the people who do NOTHING to improve this program don't deserve the work I do. I don't agree on this one... Quote:
I also do not think that someone who does not take part in something has a right to complain. ...but I do agree on this. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMHO, all plugins should be free of charge. That's a contribution for the community. Plugin with a price tag isn't. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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But as far as I am concerned all the people who do NOTHING to improve this program don't deserve the work I do.
I don't agree on this one... Good job I don't have a choice in the matter then, eh?! |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,461 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
IMHO, all plugins should be free of charge. That's a contribution for the community. Plugin with a price tag isn't. Hey what gives you the right to complain about plugins?   C'mon now, I'm kidding. And I hope you enjoy some of my 7 free plugins. | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
IMHO, all plugins should be free of charge. That's a contribution for the community. Plugin with a price tag isn't. Good idea! Why limit this to PlugIns? Why not make everything free of charge, the world would be a so much better place then. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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