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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Thanks for reposting James...I mean Rick. 
This is exactly what I am talking about. We need to look at the big picture here. There are lots of 'styalized' credits out there that, if we follow Skip's lead, will need to be entered in a completely illogical way.
Maybe I should try some of Mark's patented 'As Credited® lube'. If I use that, maybe PhaInItIasm would make sense as the title.  Let's see, Unicus, I think in one of my comments I addressed the stylized credits, when Isaid something like (ignoring typefaces, colrs, logo style) and so on. One again not reading what I am saying.<shakes head> Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I REPEAT I am saying we need to find a way to accomodate both.
Start a feature request for a new field and see what support you can generate. I don't see the need. See if you can find others who do.
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The Rule is clear
I agree. It worked quite well and no one included the quotes for years...until "Mister Roberts". 
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if there is anything that is to be excluded it is your interpretation which calls for some from of interpretation which comes from outside the film credits.
Of course it requires interpretation. But so does yours. How do you know the title of the film is not "Best Boy....John Doe"? It's because you looked at the credits and used your intellect to direct you to the title screen. Now you just need to zero in on the actual title and not the quotes that tell you "this is the title".
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you are adopting a position that is against the Rules
I have no problem taking the title from the film credits as the rules call for.
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and I am trying to figure out how to do both.
Make a feature request.
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Why is your interpretation reasonable and mine is NOT.
Mine is in sync with the thousands of titles already in the database where users correctly obtained the title from the film credits. Your interpretation is not representative of what other reasonable people have done in practice. You have no data to support your interpretation other than the fact that there are quotes on the screen. You've not provided any data that suggests anyone in the film industry considers these to be part of the title. That makes your argument unreasonable.
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Who died and made you the God Interpreter of why Hollywood does what it does?
The previous God of course.
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I am not trying to interpret I accept what I see, but am willing to grant your position to the Key Field for all the reasons that have been stated.
OK. Then move along to the Feature Request forum.
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I do not understand where you are coming from your version of Common Sense to me is TOTALLY unreasonable.
How did thousands of classic film titles get input into the database over the years without quotes? I would say that common sense was involved in those decisions.
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The On Screen credit field would affect nothing, it would merely reflect the title as it actually appears on the screen
Make a feature request. As long as it doesn't change what's input into the title field, I won't oppose it. I'll just watch. 
Quoting Unicus69:
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Maybe I should try some of Mark's patented 'As Credited® lube'. If I use that, maybe PhaInItIasm would make sense as the title.
 James: Here is my problem with what you said, By that argument, the answer to Stef and Dan when Sound was removed should have been, NO, it has been removed, none of really wanted it. But I took a different and I thin better approach and asked them to work together to come up with a workable solution. It made no difference to me wheteher I saw the value in the Sound data or not, they wanted the data and if they could work up a plan, I would try and get to re-instate it, which they did and so did Ken. Everybody on the Team except those two was happy that Sound had been killed and din't wnat it to come back and by your standards that is the way it should have remained. Wrong attitude. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
My suggestion is precisely what you said. A new field for On Screen title, simple.And look at what i am getting for my trouble. Now speaking strictly personally do I think it brings value to the data, perhaps...some, especially in possessives. Then why did you, and continue to, insist on putting "Mr Roberts" in the current title field!? As has been suggested repeatedly, if you want an additional field, create a feature request. I won't argue against it either... | | | Andy 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Quoting hal9g:
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No one has denied that "Mister Roberts" appears on screen.
That does not change the fact that the film's title is [b]Mister Roberts.[/b]
Please go to the New Features Forum and start a thread for the addition of a "Scape the On-Screen Title display along with before and after frames" field.
I'm certain it will get overwhelming support!
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Hal:
What do you base that on. It is not based on anything from the film credits which is what the Rules say. It is based either on your personal opinion or from third party source both of which are excluded from the Rules.<shrugs>n You can cite Library of Congress if you wish but that is not what the Rules say. So once again, I am merely trying to figure out how to accomodate both what you want and what the film ACTUALLY says.
Skip
Check the copyrighted title! Simple! Hal: The Rule does not say to do that. Now does it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Thanks for reposting James...I mean Rick.
This is exactly what I am talking about. We need to look at the big picture here. There are lots of 'styalized' credits out there that, if we follow Skip's lead, will need to be entered in a completely illogical way.
Maybe I should try some of Mark's patented 'As Credited® lube'. If I use that, maybe PhaInItIasm would make sense as the title.
Let's see, Unicus, I think in one of my comments I addressed the stylized credits, when Isaid something like (ignoring typefaces, colrs, logo style) and so on. One again not reading what I am saying.<shakes head>
Skip I see exactly what you are saying. You want to be able to determine what is and isn't a styalized credit. Sorry but NO. You either stand by what you say or you don't. If we are to go by 'as credited', which is your argument for "Mister Roberts", then we must go by 'as credited' for ALL titles. You can't have it both ways. <shakes head> | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, I agree with James. If you want to capture this data, use that gallery link he posted or create a request. But I would say what you're asking for isn't Title but either a text or visual representation of what on the title screen in the movie. Thus, it shouldn't be put in the Title field in the database. I don't see why we're going in circles on this.
I would also say, re-writing rules and/or re-submitting profiles should not keep us from getting our database as accurate as possible regardless of how much work that might involve. If that's work you want no part of, then don't volunteer yourself to take it on. I speak from experience when I say taking your fingers out of the pot for a while will cause no lasting damage. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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My suggestion is precisely what you said. A new field for On Screen title, simple.And look at what i am getting for my trouble. Now speaking strictly personally do I think it brings value to the data, perhaps...some, especially in possessives.
Then why did you, and continue to, insist on putting "Mr Roberts" in the current title field!?
As has been suggested repeatedly, if you want an additional field, create a feature request. I won't argue against it either... Because the Rule says take the title from the Credits, Lopek. it is not that hard to comprehend now is it. Are there lots of them I have simply overlooked for whatever reason...yes. I know that in the case of mister Roberts the quotes on the cover caught my attention and went to the film to verify it. Was I pleased about it...not particularly, but unlike you and others I understood what the Rule said to doSkip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Thanks for reposting James...I mean Rick.
This is exactly what I am talking about. We need to look at the big picture here. There are lots of 'styalized' credits out there that, if we follow Skip's lead, will need to be entered in a completely illogical way.
Maybe I should try some of Mark's patented 'As Credited® lube'. If I use that, maybe PhaInItIasm would make sense as the title.
Let's see, Unicus, I think in one of my comments I addressed the stylized credits, when Isaid something like (ignoring typefaces, colrs, logo style) and so on. One again not reading what I am saying.<shakes head>
Skip
I see exactly what you are saying. You want to be able to determine what is and isn't a styalized credit. Sorry but NO. You either stand by what you say or you don't. If we are to go by 'as credited', which is your argument for "Mister Roberts", then we must go by 'as credited' for ALL titles. You can't have it both ways. <shakes head> Your argument is wrong, Unicus. There is a difference between a stylized credit and a stylized credit format. We will never beable to, nor do I think we want to be able to duplicate the stylized credit(we won't have the typefaces or anything else) itself, but the format is another matter entirely | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
Take the titles from the credits, not copy the credits... completely different things.  Let's see Lopek, Now I can take your word on that or i can listen to the men who spent 3 and a half years developing the concept, yeah long before there was a team assembled. I think I will listen to the men who laid groundwork to begin with. but thanks for the input. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Check the copyrighted title! Simple!
Hal:
The Rule does not say to do that.
Now does it.
Skip No, it says to use the title from the credits. However, if there is any doubt as to what part of the credits that constitutes the title, then there is certainly nothing in the rules that say that you cannot use the copyright information for reference. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar:
:The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. " Now I know you are going to FOCUS on should. But it's CLEAR.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Superseded by subsequent emails somewhere between page 6 and here.  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Take the titles from the credits, not copy the credits... completely different things.
Let's see Lopek, Now I can take your word on that or i can listen to the men who spent 3 and a half years developing the concept, yeah long before there was a team assembled. I think I will listen to the men who laid groundwork to begin with. but thanks for the input.
Skip
Red Herring Alert! Red Herring Alert!
Red Herring Alert! Red Herring Alert! Insults again, And you wonder..... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | How is calling out your irrelevant Red Herring rubbish an insult?  That is almost as bizarre the the topic of this thread, I wonder about nothing... the motives for your actions are clear to me. | | | Andy
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