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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, sorry about that, Chief. Missed it by....that much.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
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Since there is nothing on the front cover did you think to look at the back cover or the spine? Or just submit them as blank...that would be better. 
Let me spell it out clearly for you since my sarcasm is apparently not getting through.
The "Rules" fanatics are holding everyone's feet to the fire that the Star Wars titles must not have the word Episode in them because the word Episode does not appear ON THE FRONT COVER as is defined in the the new Title Rule: "Use the title from the front cover."
If you cannot insert the word "Episode" because it's not on the front cover, how the hell can you enter 'Battlestar Gallactica: The Complete Epic' when it does not appear ON THE FRONT COVER as stated in the new Rule.
"Episode" appears on the back covers of the Star Wars DVDs. So What?
If nothing is on the front cover then go to spine then go to back cover or something of that nature...don't worry the rule will be amended I'm sure and you haven't discovered some unsurpassable obsticle to the rules...keep looking though. Sometimes I wonder if I am really communicating in English. Do you really believe that I am incapable of figuring out how to find the correct titles in any of these cases? Did I at any time state that this is an unsurpassable (no such word) obsticle (mis-spelled word)? I am speaking to the anal retentives who wish to use the Rules to change a title like Star Wars to some inane version that was placed on the DVD covers by idiotic marketers, but at the same time have no problem with "making up" titles for those that have no title at all on the inviolable "front cover". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I can justify it because the rules do not mention DVDs without a title on the case. As with any other area not covered by the rules, we use some common sense...until Ken comes up with a fix.
For the record, Skip's suggestion is quite workable. Nice try, but the Rules do address this. They say "Use the title from the front cover". They provide no alternative whatsoever, therefore, the field must be left blank if we are to follow the Rules strictly as written! I love the way common sense can be used as long as it meets your criteria! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Call it trouble making if you like. I did not ask you or Unicus how it could be solved by re-writing the Rule. Any idiot can figure that one out.
I asked how it can be handled today as the Rule is currently written And I gave you an answer to that question. Quote:
and is simply an example to illustrate that the consequences of changing this Rule were not thought all the way through, even if it did take two years after Ken initially mentioned it Are you able to predict every possible consequence that might arise from every decision you make? No matter the rule, there is always going to be the odd circumstance. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can predict every possible situation. This is only a problem if you make it one. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, I think having completely messed up titles is a boon. It's probably the most effective way to get people to keep local data and lock it. It's inevitable that folks using the stock profiles will be disappointed. This'll get them in the habit of modifying them locally and perhaps we can move on!  Or not. It was just a thought. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Nice try, but the Rules do address this. They say "Use the title from the front cover".
They provide no alternative whatsoever, therefore, the field must be left blank if we are to follow the Rules strictly as written!
I love the way common sense can be used as long as it meets your criteria! No, the rules do not address this. The rules are silent when it comes to DVDs with no title on the front cover. If there isn't a title there, you can't use it now can you. Sure seems pretty simple to me...then again I am not being obtuse.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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Nice try, but the Rules do address this. They say "Use the title from the front cover".
They provide no alternative whatsoever, therefore, the field must be left blank if we are to follow the Rules strictly as written!
I love the way common sense can be used as long as it meets your criteria!
No, the rules do not address this. The rules are silent when it comes to DVDs with no title on the front cover. If there isn't a title there, you can't use it now can you. Sure seems pretty simple to me...then again I am not being obtuse. You definitely are being obtuse. The Rule states ONLY to take the title from the front cover. If it is not there you cannot arbitrarily decide to take it from someplace else and STILL say that you are following the Rules. When I compare the front cover to the title field, I immediately will see that they are NOT the same! Spin away! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal:
I have no criteria to impose on the Online. You went looking for and found trouble. I simply am suggesting a way to cope with what you have found. Neither of us favored changing the Rule from fim title, but it was changed. WE can't be changing the Rules every couple of weeks, nothing will ever get accomplished, we would be trapped in an endles loop of editing and re-editing the same data over and over again. So, how can we cope with it, within the Rule as it is now. Like you I have two goals, simplicity and stability.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
You definitely are being obtuse. Yea, no. Quote:
The Rule states ONLY to take the title from the front cover. If it is not there you cannot arbitrarily decide to take it from someplace else and STILL say that you are following the Rules. Actually, the rule says to use the title from front cover. If there is no title, you can NOT use it. As I said, it sure seems pretty simple. If you want to complicate it, be my guest. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Sometimes I wonder if I am really communicating in English.
Do you really believe that I am incapable of figuring out how to find the correct titles in any of these cases? Did I at any time state that this is an unsurpassable (no such word) obsticle (mis-spelled word)?
If I were you I would wonder about my English as well becasue 'unsurpassable' is a word. And yes 'obstacle' was misspelled...good work. Any other grammar or spelling mistakes you see, please let me know. Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I am speaking to the anal retentives who wish to use the Rules to change a title like Star Wars to some inane version that was placed on the DVD covers by idiotic marketers, but at the same time have no problem with "making up" titles for those that have no title at all on the inviolable "front cover". The title isn't being made up. It's taken from the spine, back, movie credits etc. Right now the issue in the rules isn't addressed but I'm sure it soon will be. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove but I suppose that in the meantime under the current rules you could theoretically submit a blank dvd title field. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | The whole thing seems fairly simple to me. There will always be cases that the rules don't cover. When confronted with such a situation you'll have to use your best judgement. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't follow the rules in cases that they do cover. Even if you don't agree with them... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Very well said Gunnar. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
You definitely are being obtuse. The Rule states ONLY to take the title from the front cover.
How can you take something from the cover if it is not there? Quote:
If it is not there you cannot arbitrarily decide to take it from someplace else and STILL say that you are following the Rules.
It's a situation that is not covered by the Rules and needs a clarification. In the meantime, try and use common sense. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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You definitely are being obtuse.
Yea, no.
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The Rule states ONLY to take the title from the front cover. If it is not there you cannot arbitrarily decide to take it from someplace else and STILL say that you are following the Rules.
Actually, the rule says to use the title from front cover. If there is no title, you can NOT use it. As I said, it sure seems pretty simple. If you want to complicate it, be my guest. Well at last we agree. If there is no title you cannot "use" it. Therefore the title field cannot be entered! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
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Sometimes I wonder if I am really communicating in English.
Do you really believe that I am incapable of figuring out how to find the correct titles in any of these cases? Did I at any time state that this is an unsurpassable (no such word) obsticle (mis-spelled word)?
If I were you I would wonder about my English as well becasue 'unsurpassable' is a word. And yes 'obstacle' was misspelled...good work. Any other grammar or spelling mistakes you see, please let me know.
Quoting hal9g:
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I am speaking to the anal retentives who wish to use the Rules to change a title like Star Wars to some inane version that was placed on the DVD covers by idiotic marketers, but at the same time have no problem with "making up" titles for those that have no title at all on the inviolable "front cover".
The title isn't being made up. It's taken from the spine, back, movie credits etc. Right now the issue in the rules isn't addressed but I'm sure it soon will be. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove but I suppose that in the meantime under the current rules you could theoretically submit a blank dvd title field. I believe the proper usage is "insurpassable". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Sometimes I wonder if I am really communicating in English.
Do you really believe that I am incapable of figuring out how to find the correct titles in any of these cases? Did I at any time state that this is an unsurpassable (no such word) obsticle (mis-spelled word)?
If I were you I would wonder about my English as well becasue 'unsurpassable' is a word. And yes 'obstacle' was misspelled...good work. Any other grammar or spelling mistakes you see, please let me know.
Quoting hal9g:
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I am speaking to the anal retentives who wish to use the Rules to change a title like Star Wars to some inane version that was placed on the DVD covers by idiotic marketers, but at the same time have no problem with "making up" titles for those that have no title at all on the inviolable "front cover".
The title isn't being made up. It's taken from the spine, back, movie credits etc. Right now the issue in the rules isn't addressed but I'm sure it soon will be. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove but I suppose that in the meantime under the current rules you could theoretically submit a blank dvd title field. It's made up as far as the current Rules are concerned. | | | | Hal |
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