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Common name: Deborah (Kara) Unger
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I agree, Pete.

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I'd say the lookup tool would have to be the decisive factor here. What it says is most common should generally be used, however I agree that there should be room to argue/document that another name is more common.

That being said, I think the tool should use the original title field as the one being counted and not the title field as this is different for different localities, editions etc and there fore will make the count artificially high.
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Thanks, everyone.

I have complete sympathy for your concern about your cat's health, Skip.



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My honest sympathy, skipnet50. I had a similar drama with one of my cats earlier this year as well...
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I have never been through that, but I guess they are some very bad moments, I give my sympathy to Skip as well.
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Ok, back on topic now ...
with Google I definitely could not get a decisive answer, although the more well-known sites such as IMDB, Wikipedia, etc... seem to go for DKU. This is also a small majority in the current DP database and also a small majority in the forum poll.
So I will probably go submit the changes in favor of DKU. Note that if those get voted yes, it will automatically resolve the credits tool issue, since the balance will be into DKU even more .
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Ok, back on topic now ...
with Google I definitely could not get a decisive answer, although the more well-known sites such as IMDB, Wikipedia, etc... seem to go for DKU. This is also a small majority in the current DP database and also a small majority in the forum poll.
So I will probably go submit the changes in favor of DKU. Note that if those get voted yes, it will automatically resolve the credits tool issue, since the balance will be into DKU even more .

No, it should not change unless you are changing the 'credited as' name. The look-up tool counts the 'credited as' entries, not the 'common name' entries. ( In many cases both are the same )

If the profile that you are working on credits her as 'Deborah Unger' it will push it that way or is she is credited as 'Deborah Kara Unger' it will push the other way. This way the answer is taken from the 'as credited' data, not from any 'common name' entries. Of course if the 'credited as' data is wrong it will lead to the wrong answer.

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So I will probably go submit the changes in favor of DKU. Note that if those get voted yes, it will automatically resolve the credits tool issue, since the balance will be into DKU even more .


I don't think so. My understanding is, as Pdf256 said, that the Credit Lookup Tool tallies on names as they are actually credited in film credits. You can use it the Tool to determine the so-said "Common Name", which can be different than the name in the credits of a single movie, but is decided according to most frequent credited form. 
AFAIU.
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I got them reversed, sorry about that. Dealing with a dying cat here, we've had for twelve years, so I am not functioning on all cylinders.

Skip


My condolences.  It is never easy losing a pet...especially one you have had for that long.  There is nothing I can say that will make it any better, so I will simply say, "I am sorry for your loss." 
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The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I don't know what is enough... but documentation is providing proof... so the way I read it that means you must provide proof that it is the way you say it is. Note that this is how I personally read it... if other see it differently I don't know... and if this is what Ken had in mind only he could say.

Since in this case all of her film titles show up in the Invelos database for both of her names, that is indeed proof that the Invelos database is of no value in making a determination of her common name. Literally ever single movie is credited wrongly to one name or the other. This is proof that the database cannot be used in this case.

The next step would be to provide proof of which name is more frequently credited. That would require other sources and would be tougher to do.

But on the face of it, in this particular case, the Invelos database is of zero determining value.

Hypothetical Invelos lookup example:

Name A
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Movie 1
Movie 2
Movie 3

Result = 3 titles

Name B
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Movie 1
Movie 1 - French
Movie 2
Movie 2 - Rental
Movie 3

Result = 5 titles

Is Name B most-credited? Not exactly. We can see from the above that she must have been incorrectly credited in at least 3 of the profiles, but it could be as many as 5 incorrect credits. Therefore, the true results could be 3-0 or 0-3 or 2-1 or 1-2 depending on how she is actually credited. From the Invelos data alone, one can't tell whether it's 3-0 or 0-3 or 2-1 or 1-2. It's certainly not 3-5 as she only has 3 total film credits.

This is the same scenario as we are faced with in the lookup for this actress in the Invelos lookup. All of her film credits appear under each name variant.
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So I will probably go submit the changes in favor of DKU. Note that if those get voted yes, it will automatically resolve the credits tool issue, since the balance will be into DKU even more .


I don't think so. My understanding is, as Pdf256 said, that the Credit Lookup Tool tallies on names as they are actually credited in film credits. You can use it the Tool to determine the so-said "Common Name", which can be different than the name in the credits of a single movie, but is decided according to most frequent credited form. 
AFAIU.


Ok, understand now. This is what I remarked initially: she is credited as both and it doesn't look like one has preference over the other. So I would guess we just have to come to a consensus then. Seems like the poll is now strongly going toward DKU, so let's just agree to take that one then, no?
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