Quoting W0m6at:

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I use tags.

So do I.

I'd like to see it removed from genres simply because it doesn't belong there.  I have no problem with creating a checkbox for it somewhere though.

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Genres and cover scans are the two areas I always lock locally.

I like having lots of genres, including TV.

Tags - forget it. I own too many DVDs and don't feel like doing lots of work. Of course, knowing me, I probably couldn't figure it out anyway. 

Give me boxes to tick!

Quoting widescreenforever:

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Movies that are made for TV MUST stay a genre..

Tags work just fine for that too.  I've got several profiles with the "TV Movie" tag checked.

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I don't see how TV movie is a genre. They have nothing in common with each other than the venue in which they were exhibited, which is largely incidental to content. Yes, it limits the swearing and nudity (unless it was made for cable, which plenty of TV movies are), but you might as well argue that Hayes Code is a genre. Films are frequently restricted in their content or edited for content for reason other than a television premiere.

TV movies have, until recently, been almost always shot on film. In fact, pretty much all scripted fiction for TV was shot on film before digital took over with the exception of soap operas. Yes, they may have been edited on video, but since theatrical films have to be transfered to video to be on a DVD anyway. This doesn't make a difference in the end product. We don't have special genres for IMAX and Vistavision, even though they also impact the aesthetics.

Genres typically common thematic or syntactic or elements. I can explain whether a movie is a comedy or whether it's about crime (granted, this is frequently subjective) without referring to elements outside the film. I can take a guess about whether something was a TV movie based on the use of fade to black at act breaks, 1.33 AR long after it fell out of favor for theaters, and apparent budget, but these are just guesses and ultimately aren't what make it a TV movie or not.

I don't proclaim myself an expert. I'm just a guy who took a couple undergraduate courses relating to genre as it applies to film. There's plenty of academic disgreement on what exactly a genre is and how one determines what genre(s) a movie is in. The definition I gave was more or less pulled out of my textbook and is the mainstream view, if not unanimous, view of film scholars of what it means to be a genre.

Foreign had been in the program a long time when it was removed from genres and replaced with a more useful field. That's isn't an argument for leaving as it is. Otherwise, we might as well stick with a broken linking system because it's been broken ten years. DVD Profiler has always had a tendency to conflate genres and things that weren't genres, but were categories of some sort, like foreign, TV, classic, etc. We've taken some steps to improving this issue. I'd like to go farther.

For that matter, you don't really address my arguments. Do you think genre means something different than I claim or that TV does, in fact fit the definition I gave? Or is your argument just that we shouldn't remove TV from genres because lots of people who haven't weighed in on this thread might think it's better that way for unspecified reasons?

Ace:

I didn't adderess your argument because  it is of no relevance or import. The simple fact isw that as Profilere is concerned Te3levision IS a Genre and has been since Day One. Your argument is about sup[planting your opinions of whether it is over the opinions of those who find the data to have merit regardless of whether it fits your definition of Genre or not, and that is the most imp[ortant point. Some do find it useful and some simply waqnt to argue over whether it is or is not Genre,,,,sound and fury signifying nothing.  I repeat it has bewen considered a Genre for Profiler for TEN years and despite your repeated arguments about whether it is a Genre or not, and those of others, a Genre it reemains and probably will  into the future, I suggest that you deal withg it localloy and step doiwn off your soap box, your educational background does not impress me, Ace, is it supposed to, should I list my educational and note that I am a graduate of one of the finest film schools in the country....Florida State University. No  because that information, just like yours is of no import or relevance.

This is not high on my list of things to worry about.

I agree TV is not a genre, but as of right now, I see no need to alter what we have.

If, in the future, Ken decides to make another field for "Content Type" or whatever, I would not be opposed to that change.

Charlie

As the word genre simply means 'kind' or 'sort'...meaning of a specific catagory...TV is a type of genre.  Beyond that, I am with Kathy and, since it is already there, I would prefer this functionality...the ability to sort on TV...not be removed from the program.