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New Technology: Embrace or Not?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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I have too jumped on the new technology: Streaming. While it may not actually be "better" in terms of quality (compared to blu-ray, it's often better than DVD) it has reduced my purchases of new titles significantly. And thank god for that! At most I had around 5000 titles and it was a bigger problem to house them, not to mention moving them which I was forced to do. But never again! I have since got rid of all my HD DVDs and many of my blu-rays and quite a few DVDs (mostly TV series) so I'm now down to about 3500 titles. I plan to slim this down even further in the future as the availibility of streaming titles increases and I only plan to buy movies which aren't available in streaming format.
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I started buying blu-ray in 2009, my first being Iron Man.  I play them on my PS3.  I've upgraded a number of titles, but I've slowed down with that.  When I still had all my DVDs in cases I upgraded anything that came in to the shop, but now that I put almost all the DVDs in binders I've slowed down a lot on doing that.  After all, I have no more room for shelves so once the shelves the blu-rays are on are full, that's it.  I still pick up a lot of DVDs, and it seems that a vast majority of stuff I want for my collection is not yet available on blu-ray, and who knows if it will be.  But any new movie that comes out that I want I try to get on blu, and if it's something I'm actually paying money for (instead of getting from the shop) then I want to get the blu if there is one.  I know it's the future so that's why I've invested in blu.  I have just over 1000 of them.  My job really helps here though, since I can swap out almost directly the DVD for the blu.

I haven't hit the wow factor yet for the most part.  My friend Rogage has an HD TV, and I don't see much difference between his TV and my old CRT.  On the other hand, my friend Kane has a larger HD TV and I have been really impressed with his TV.  But my CRT still looks good to me.  It's the nicest TV I've ever owned and I'm really not that motivated to replace it.  Especially because I can't lift it, and also where my couch sits is too close to where the TV is to get a really large HD.  Eventually I want one, but I'd have to rearrange my whole living room and it's an expense I really can't afford, a luxury that's way off. 

I have no intention of moving to streaming.  My internet connection is not that good, I don't watch stuff on my computer and I don't have the PS3 hooked to the internet except when I have to update the blu-ray.  And man was that a hassle.  Plus, I like having it right there to play when I want to play it.
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I'm one of those people who has a home theater system which costs more than I make in 2 months. The audio is quite good, but the TV is underwhelming because I had to buy one in a hurry a few years ago when my low-end Sanyo tube HDTV broke after I had it about a year and a half. Once I get a high-end Panasonic plasma later this year, I think I'll be ahead of the local theaters.
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My partner bought our TV/Blu-ray setup when it was in a sale.
It's not particularly high-end; but my sister (who lives with us) always comments on how good the picture is.
It's a Samsung 50" plasma with 3D blu-ray.

My mum passed away at the beginning of last year and when my inheritance came through I treated myself to a soundbar. Our lounge is a decent size and we hated having all the wires around the room; so the soundbar was the solution.
It's a Yamaha YSP-2200 and I think it's excellent. A lot of tweaking was required to get the beams in the right place (and you have to redo that every time you move the furniture!); but once it's done correctly the sound is amazing. I was finally able to listen to all those 7.1 tracks!!

The soundbar and blu-ray both upscale (in answer to an earlier question) and both do a good job. DVD's don't 'hurt my eyes'; but I'm very conscious of the dip in quality for both picture and sound.

Probably not the best example; but last night we watched an old full frame b&w film called 'So Long at the Fair'. The image was obviously from a damaged print and the audio hissed throughout. We put it into our old DVD player (with upscaling off) and it really looked atrocious. But, it was the only way to get the film; so we put up with it.

I guess, for us, we come from the viewpoint of 'why watch an inferior version if we don't have to' and that's why we're switching as much stuff to blu as possible.

When we first got it we were both like some of you: "I'm okay with what I've got" kind of thing; but after a while, we were "but if it looks good enough on DVD, imagine how it's going to look on blu-ray!" Most of the time, that holds up too. I think, if I could, I'd probably replace every DVD - despite my initial horrified reaction when I realised how many we'd replaced. 
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I've always gone for significant better quality at reasonable price.

Around 1986 this meant going from LP's to CD's. Being able to hear music without high frequency noise, ticks and scratches was a blessing. Double dipped just about every LP I had, some bought anew but a lot by ripping and burning to CD (and still have the LP's because this means the rips are legitimate copies for Dutch law). After the rip it can't degrade further...

Last century I had a small collection of VHS tapes of movies I really liked, but never really collected apart from the Babylon V series. In 1998 I bought my first DVD as a try-out for the DVD player in my new PC. The DVD prices at the time were shockingly high (~NLG 70, approx. € 40-50 adjusted for inflation), so it wasn't until 2000 I bought my first cheap but regionfree DVD player and started buying DVD's. Never bought a VHS tape since. Upgraded to a 32" flatscreen CRT and in 2002 to a 40" plasma. Upgraded the audio section. Bought a PS3 for BR player (best quality for lowest price in the first decade of this century), also have 3D capable player as well now.

Today I have a 55" 3D lcd and it performs brilliantly with BR's. However... where a DVD still has a decent video quality on a 40", I found it noticably not-so-good on a 55". Mind, not as bad as a VHS on a 32", but... Anyways, the 40" is still in my storage, so a back-up is present.

That said, I've doubled dipped in the past more because of better editions (more featurettes etc) than for other reasons. I try to double dip from DVD to BR only when the nature of the film seems to promise a really better image. Yes, DVD shows its limits on a 55", but it remains viewable.

What I did not do was upgrade for pure technology reasons. With CD's around I never bought into the digital audio cassette. Way too expensive in hard- and software. I think I bought only one or two SACD's when my DVD player (a Pioneer) was able to play that and only because I expected a really better sound experience (Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon). Similarly DVD audio. Nice to try, but dead ends. I didn't buy my current TV for the 3D but for the size (larger screen, smaller total outfit) and because prices were reduced at a local retailer. For the most 3D, IMO, is an overpriced extra. But OTOH, nice to have.

As for the future, manufacturers have announced 3D to be still born (as in 'we see the public not buying in droves') and will focus on 4K. Which is also currently at absurd prices. IMO they live on another planet, because they want absurd revenues while not recognising that the public's sweet point for buying is way lower than their expectations. Anyways, I estimate 4K will only shine on 80" or even larger displays. And houses in Europe are not build for that sort of huge sized appliances, so unless there is an as-yet unknown gamechanger, I expect 4K to be a dud too.
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As for the future, manufacturers have announced 3D to be still born (as in 'we see the public not buying in droves') and will focus on 4K.


I'd never heard of 4K - but, thanks to you, I looked it up. Won't hold my breath.

Surprised about the 3D though. There seemed to be a steady increase over the last year or so in both Theatrical and home 3D films.
Also, I recently heard about the release of glasses-free 3D TVs.
3D was really my partner's idea. Personally, I think it's a gimmick. I'll watch a film in 3D; but once I've done that my preference will be to re-watch in 2D from then on.

The main thing I thought was going to challenge physical media was streaming - but, I read so much about the poor quality that I know I'll never go over to it. I think it's great for people who don't particularly care about the quality of what they're watching; but true collector's will never embrace it, in my opinion.
Also, here in the UK, I doubt it will be in my lifetime that decent broadband will be available to everyone.
We live 'in the country' - that is: not in a town; but not in the middle of nowhere. We're on the edge of a village.
But...our broadband sucks, we have no mains gas or sewerage and when the wind blows the internet stops working. The likelihood of streaming taking of in Lincolnshire is very small I think. 
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I guess if I had endless money I’d replace everything possible on Blu-ray, but I don’t so I can’t.  Whilst I’ll admit to having replaced a few DVDs with BDs, the number is very small, probably under 50.  There are so many new films etc that I’d like to have, so I’d rather spend my money on these than replace DVD versions of things with Blu-ray ones.  I’ve so many I haven’t even watched yet and with a tiny number of exceptions, I’m probably only ever going to watch most of them a few times in my life.

Considering how many discs I actually watch, vs. the number I buy (I consistently buy more than I watch), I’ve found myself starting to wonder if I’m actually going to be alive for long enough to watch all the ones I’ve already got anyway, never mind any more I buy, or BDs I get to replace DVDs.    So there's your happy thought for the day.

It's interesting to note how we seem to use lots of names here for Blu-ray, blu-ray, bluray, BR, BD, (and there're probably some "blue" and "HD" variations about too), yet a DVD is always a DVD!
Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it?  Guttermouth "Lemon Water".  Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally.  So I'm an anarchist, deal with it.  Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted...
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I’m actually going to be alive for long enough to watch all the ones I’ve already got anyway



I regularly have this thought.
As mentioned in another thread, I'm currently unemployed and have all the time in the world to watch stuff - but, somehow, I only seem to watch a couple of films a day.

One of reasons I recently went through my DVD collection and sold a load was for the exact reason you mention. I do quite a lot of craft projects that can be done while watching TV; so I used to keep a lot of films that were just 'ok' figuring they'd be good things to put on when I don't need to give it my full attention.

Nowadays, I do think: If I'm not going to watch it multiple times, don't keep it. By reducing my collection it means I'll be able to re-watch more stuff.

I'm exactly the same with my books: I've got over 2000 and I don't think I'll ever get to re-read them all in my lifetime; I just can't seem to get rid of them! 
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I'm exactly the same with my books: I've got over 2000 and I don't think I'll ever get to re-read them all in my lifetime; I just can't seem to get rid of them! 


I'm very much in the same boat! 
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I like to keep up to date as much as possible.
Last Saturday I had no choice, my computer crashed, completely dead.
I know this was coming, The sound was almost dead, it wouldn't play Blues anymore, etc.
So Sunday I went computer hunting. I had been looking online and had an idea what I wanted. I didn't see what I wanted and the stores were busy.
So Monday I went over to a friend's house returned to my search online.
I bought an all-in-one with almost everything, especially for watching DVDs.

Multi-touch-screen all-in-one PC with Intel 3rd gen processor; massive hard drive, GeForce graphics, wireless LAN, Bluetooth, TV tuner, integrated speakers, HD webcam
Operating system - Windows 8
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-3770S (3.1 GHz )
Memory - 8 GB DDR3
Hard drive - 2 TB SATA (7200 rpm)
Graphics card - NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M (2 GB DDR3, up to 4 GB)
Optical drive - Blu-ray player; Slim-tray SuperMulti DVD burner
Display - 23" diagonal full HD multitouch-enabled widescreen LED backlit (1920 x 1080)
and plenty of USB 2.0 & 3.0.

For Christmas I got myself a 47" 3D LED TV. I had an eye problem, a lazy left eye that would wonder off, so I could never see 3D correctly. When I had a heart blockage. And when I woke up in the hospital, at the end of the room  I notice two of everything. Then I closed one eye and then the other and there was only one of everything. So laying there in the hospital bed I had nothing else to do but get the two eyes working together. So then I could see 3D.


Maybe I'll even get used to windows 8 and the new keyboard.
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Recently I read a post from someone saying they don't own a blu-ray player. I was amazed (given how cheap they have become) for someone who comes into this forum (the fanatical movie collector!) to not have advanced to BD.

What about everyone else? Have you gone blu?


Nope.

Don't have Blu-ray simply because there's very little released that I buy that's actually on BD.
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Started purchasing blu-rays and bought my first blu-ray player in 2006.  A fair percentage of my DVDs have been upgraded to blu, since that time, although I still have quite a few DVDs that haven't even been released on blu-ray.
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No blu for me, either.  I keep thinking maybe I should, but I have yet to encounter a compelling reason to bother.  I suppose if the format finally gets some exclusive titles I might finally take the plunge.  Otherwise, it just seems like a waste of money to me because I know I'll be someone who ends up double-dipping.

The thing about DVD is, I didn't start collecting because of the image quality, I started collecting because a format had finally arrived which allowed me to purchase once, and use forever...plus movies were finally being presented in AOR.  Given that, blu is simply a refinement of DVD in my eyes, and I can easily do without.
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I waited out the format war and was rooting for the losing side due to bad info I was getting (that you had to connect to the web so they could monitor what you watched) and the early demos in stores looked plastic and fake. Then I saw some real HD stuff and broke down in August 2009, getting my first BD player (I now have 2). My plan was just get free rents from the library and buy new stuff on blu. I've upgraded a chunk of my dvds since, so that plan failed massively!
I'm getting better about not wanting to upgrade everything now and have passed on some stuff I rarely watch anyway. It is hard to pass on $5 or less BD's though. I did many unexpected upgrades (the whole Saw series) and some unexpected buys (Identity) when Blockbuster shut it's doors locally and BD's got down to $2 each.
Now I can't go back to SD. Up-converted dvds used to look almost like BD to me, not anymore. My eyes are getting better, which is bad in many ways.
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