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The rules indeed seem a bit confusing at first, but it's really quite simple:

The "title" field is the title from the DVD cover (if there's a difference between the front cover and the spine, consensus seems to be to use the front cover). The "original title" comes from the film's credits, and is only to be entered when it's different from the "title" field.

This is quite simple!

It says to take the Title from the film's credits!

There are then exceptions for foreign films, TV Series and for DVD releases where they have "modified" the name for marketing purposes.

The "Original" title is not necessarily what appears in the film's credits.  Many "foreign" films get released in countries other than their origin with the film credit having been translated into another language altogether.

Clint Eastwoods "spaghetti westerns" all fall into this category.

Ditto

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The "Original Titles" would not help one iota in the Awards plug-in, since the original titles are in Italian, and the movies are listed in virtually every reference source under their English titles.

I do not understand, why this shouldn't work.
My policy for the awards data for my plugin is, that the original title of the movies is to be used (same as in Profiler for the original title field).
Of course the functionality for the plugin depends on the data which I supply, but as I have often mentionend, I welcome corrections to the original titles of the award data.

Are you saying that the original title in the "awards" list is in Italian for Sergio Leone's movies?

I never have understood why some people get so wound up over spaghetti westerns.  The ones that Eastwood made were made in Italy and Spain, by Italian companies, but for the AMERICAN market.  Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, and Eli Wallach didn't speak Italian, and as far as I know, those movies have always been listed with English titles, although there might be an Italian title as well.  In any case, I agree with you on this one.

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May I also remind you that my interpretation actually makes SENSE? This is DVD Profiler, therefore it's logic that the "title" field contains the title of the DVD that I'm profiling. What you see on the shelve, is what you see in DVD Profiler. If the actual on-screen title is different, we can show that using the "original title" field.

Personally, if it is a choice between the film title and the DVD title, I am more interested in the film title because I, personally, am more concerned about the "content" of the DVD than I am the DVD itself.

I'm going to add one more thing to this discussion, just because I just noticed something (again) this morning: the "title" field is actually called "DVD Title" in DVD Profiler (in "edit" mode):



I don't think I have to expand on that: IMHO it's clear where the DVD title goes and where the title from the film's credits goes. I do understand that more rules are necessary when there are three different titles at play, but for all other movies, there's nothing more to it than that.

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I'm not suggesting that the plug-in should dictate the title that should be used.

I know...

But I saw you mentioning this a few times before (that use of a certain title would make trouble to the award plugin) and wanted to point out, that the award plugin would have to follow suit, not the other way round.

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[I am suggesting that the title should be the title of the movie; as in, the copyrighted title.  That way any cross-reference, regardless of source, is going to come up with a match.  This assumes that the plug-in also uses the copyrighted title.

You have my complete agreement on this.

Seems to me this whole title issue is a problem for those areas outside of Region 1, at least for 99% of it.

The DVD Title and Original Title, 99.9% of the time in Region 1 are one and the same, and if you don't enter anything in the Original slot, the default is to use the DVD Title, which per the rules comes from what is shown on screen.

Most of the rest of that stuff in the Title rule section is for dealing with non-Region 1 titles.  So, you should be figuring out how to remedy the problem for those other areas and leave R1 out of it.

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The DVD Title and Original Title, 99.9% of the time in Region 1 are one and the same, and if you don't enter anything in the Original slot, the default is to use the DVD Title, which per the rules comes from what is shown on screen.

Let's try a real-life example then. On 'When Harry Met Sally' (DVD Title from cover: 'When Harry Met Sally', title from film credits: 'When Harry Met Sally...'), where would you say these different titles go? Don't tell me that you're going to enter the title from the credits into the "DVD Title" field? See screenshot below to see how I did it. Do you agree that, per the rules, the title from the cover goes into the "Title" ("DVD Title" actually) field and the title from the credits (with "...") goes into the "Original Title" field?



Would you agree with this? I'm curious what your answer is - I think (and hope) it will show that we have nothing to argue about. I have the feeling we both end up with the same result - only I get there by entering what's on the DVD cover into the "Title" field, and then add an "Original Title" if the film credits show anything else. You seem to insist on starting with entering what's in the credits into the "Title" field, and then check to see if any of the other rules on titles apply. At that time, you would still move that title from the film's credits to "Original Title", and substitute "Title" with what's on the cover. If I'm correct, we just arguing about how we get there, and that is of no importance at all.

Ok, seeing this fine example, I really think the rules are totally wrong. We always get the "DVD Title" from the cover, and the title in the film's credits is only to be used in "Original Title". This makes most sense.

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IMO leaving the ellipsis (...) out on the cover does not justify to apply the modified title rule. Therefore the title would be "When Harry Met Sally..." and the original title would be empty.

I really wonder what the added value for that would be (or for the 'modified title' rule).
T!M's profile clearly gives more information than yours. That's why I find this rule so silly (and then I'm not even taking into consideration the fact that the field indeed says "DVD Title" as T!M discovered).