Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I see users seem to believe that things are handled unfairly, from my viewpoint I can't and won't make that determination. I don't know what anybody has a basis for even making such a ridiculous claim, except that they seem to believe that they should be privy to things that they should not be privy too. This not the coliseum and we aren't the Christians vs. the Lions. I assume that Ken is acting fairly and i have seen no evidence that he is not.

Skip

Okay, could you please give me a straight answer if I give you a straight question? Have you ever been banned temporarily and if "yes", how many times?

Ok,

In my experience if you have rules that aren't visibly and demonstrably enforced they are ignored and then when enforced you get bad feeling about being "picked on".

In my view any moderation, temporary banning and permanent banning should be in the open and above board - that way every one can see that the rules are being enforced fairly and also if the community believe the enforcement to be too harsh they can make representation to get the ruling overturned.

Just my 2 cents

Ritch

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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And I absolutely disagree with you, that's called simply beimng nosy in affairs that do not involve you. Ken is handling it absolutely appropriately.

So in your opinion we should have all court sessions behind the closed curtains and no one should ever know (exept the judge and jury) why and how some one has been punished, if punished at all? Why all the secresy? Mankind have tried that sort of systems and noticed that it doesn't work at all (at least in so called developed countries). Open table would be the best option for my opinion. If someone gets banned, others should be able to see that and preferably also know why.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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And I absolutely disagree with you, that's called simply beimng nosy in affairs that do not involve you.

That would be true if it wouldn't involve others. In real life when some one can continue bullying for years without any sort of punishing, it unfortunately involves all forum users and general atmosphere.

EDIT: It seems that Kathy was a faster typer

Quoting Kulju:

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So far it seams everybody else exept Skip agrees that the public ban would be the best and most fair solution for all. Does that tell us something?

I'm with Skip.

Quoting kosvines:

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I'm with Skip.

He hasn't give any reasons why it shouldn't open who is banned. Can you give us some? Majority, who think it should be open, has given several reasons.

Public bans also have the advantage to put moderators in front of their responsabilities. If we had had a poll  "Who must be banned in those forum ?", I'm quite sure Taro would not have been cited on the list, even at the bottom. Hidden bans are more censorship than moderation.

My personal opinion...

I think the forum community should know who is permanently banned.  Since this is the harshest of all punishment in the forums.  We should also know why.

As far as posting restrictions, I don't think we should be told.  Sometimes this is more of "go to your room and cool off".  Hopefully, after a couple of days, they come back and participate in a proper way.

We do see what the moderators are doing.  Every highlighted post that is edited or removed is a visible indication that moderators are there.  Unfortunately, moderating all the topics 24/7 is a tedious job.  We all wish that moderation would be quicker, and more even handed, but I do see an improvement in participation of the moderators.  It seems to come and go at times.

As far as seeing Ken more,  I think he keeps an eye on what is going on in the threads.  He seems to pop in at unusual times.  I would like to see more of a presence, especially when questions have arisen that do need an answer, then again, maybe he would like us to work it out (even though it has been proven time and again, that we can't )

Again IMO

Charlie.