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If you had read carefully my post, you should have seen that I was speaking of cast and crew.

I read it again and I still cannot find the part where you say that you were only comparing Cast & Crew sections of the dbs.

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In fact, about the fields you mention, most of them are very quick and simple to fill,

YES, as are all the other fields excluding Cast & Crew and Cover scans. That's why I don't understand why people doesn't contribute. It takes about 5min to create complete profile excluding fields mentioned above. IMDB doesn't offer any info on these release specific fields. After that it's up to you (general) how long you want to use time with those three fields.

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except overviews  and cover scans. But for both of them, Invelos database is also very poor (decision to reproduce spelling mistakes in overviews, and online scans are rarely what we have in hand).

Overview is accurate and that's the way I like it to be. Do you really think that online scans are rarely what we have in hand? Yes I know that we don't have an option for alternative covers and sometimes online profile contain original release scan and you have re-release. But rarely, seriously? BTW, again, IMDB db doesn't have these fields at all (Yes, they have Storyline, but again, apples and oranges).

Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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Quoting ateo357:

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I started out doing minor corrections to profiles. Once I understood what and how to use the program & CLT, I started doing full cast & crew. Lately I've been doing common name thread corrections in the database (not limited to just my region) making sure that the credited name is correct and adding the common name (Luis Guzman, what a pain. One of the few names I decided to work on.) So sometimes I may be just changing 1 name in a profile and adding any confirmed BY if they are missing. It has slowed down my viewing and correcting of my own DVD's.

I just didn't see a point of having a common name thread with confirmed name credits and no changes to existing profiles being done.

While I appreciate your work, I don't see the point.  I't s like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound.

every little bit helps. Even with gunshot wounds.

Another plugin example is BulkEdit. It has built-in functions to import CSV, CollectorZ (at least as of a couple of years ago), DVD Spot (obsolete web site) and DVDP XML.

The CSV import can be customized, but it defaults to the format created by the CSV Export plugin. If you have a program that creates DVDP XML from IMDB (or anywhere else), BulkEdit can create a local database from it. But you can't upload it, and if you try to refresh from Invelos, all the IMDB metadata will be overwritten, so it would be a local-only process.

From IMDB http://www.imdb.com/help/show_article?conditions

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License and Site Access
Subject to your compliance with these Conditions of Use and your payment of any applicable fees, IMDb or its content providers grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicenseable license to access and make personal and non-commercial use of the IMDb Services, including digital content available through the IMDb Services, and not to download (other than page caching) or modify this site, or any portion of it, except with express written consent of IMDb. Additional license terms may be found in the Terms. The IMDb Services or any portion of such services may not be reproduced, duplicated, copied, sold, resold, visited, or otherwise exploited for any commercial purpose without express written consent of IMDb. This license does not include any resale or commercial use of any IMDb Service or its contents or any derivative use of this site or its contents. All licenses are non-exclusive and all rights not expressly granted to you in these Conditions of Use or any applicable Terms are reserved and retained by IMDb or its licensors, suppliers, publishers, rightsholders, or other content providers. You will use all IMDb Services in compliance with all applicable laws.

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And http://www.imdb.com/licensing/

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Content Licensing

IMDb licenses content to a wide selection of businesses including movie studios, cable companies, websites, video retailers, software developers, electronics manufacturers, mobile applications, and more. We offer content licensing packages that are customized to meet your needs based on your specific audience and the data being licensed. IMDb licensing content includes: cast & crew, user ratings, plot summaries, release dates, box office, keywords, filmography credits, awards, biographies, nicknames and more.

If Ken were to incorporate a scraping feature in to DVD Profiler, he would be violating the License and Site Access section of the agreement. 

Also if he were to incorporate it within the program, which is a commercial product along with it's DB, then he would need to pay for a content license.  If he were to do that, there would be a large reoccurring yearly fee, that he would need to recoup, therefore a yearly fee would need to be incorporated into DVD Profiler(which many would consider a violation of the forever fee that Ken charges now).

I would actually prefer him not to include it, and actually improve the program aspects that we need improved (which has been discussed)

As always My Opinion

Charlie

Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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But they did, when they forked over the money to Ken.  I think it's going a bit far to call them lazy, as there are other factors involved.  The first and foremost is that it can be somewhat intimidating to contribute.  I didn't contribute for years because of the attitude of some people in the forums.  I'd encourage anyone to contribute , but I don't hold it against those that don't.

First, paying for something does not improve the database. If someone pays for DVDProfiler I assume they realise that it incorporates a USER-BUILT database. So, if the users DON'T build it, it is rendered useless.

I DON'T think it's going too far to call someone who uses other people's data but doesn't contribute any of their own lazy.
All someone has to do is correct a spelling mistake, or add information to one of the countless smaller field and they are contributing useful information.

Many users get hung up on the Cast and Crew and they shouldn't use that as a barrier to contributing.

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I have much to do and can't be worried about doing a full audit for every submission.  If I'm aware of an issue I'll fix it, but I'm not going to go in depth every time I touch a profile.  I'm happy to share my work with others, but I'm not going to spend my time doing full audits at the expense of getting my own db cleaned up.

Which is EXACTLY what I said is a good thing to do. I NO LONGER feel that a full audit is the way to go. Not everyone has the time or inclination to do so. So ANYTHING they do (as long as it's correct) is of use and a benefit to the database.

Probably best not to quote me stating that I've changed my mind and then proceed to explain why you don't do what I've said you don't need to do.

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Why anyone should care, or deny someone else this option is beyond me.

Because it will cost everyone else actual money if Ken did it.

As far as the money goes, yes maybe/mostlikely it will cost. But if you would make this optional in paid versions only, then people will start to pay for a full version. So the cost then will be covered, like now people are using and paying for other programs that has this option, but they like DVD profiler as program much better. I only am speaking for a couple of people I know it is for sure and I think many more are out there.

An on the other hand, let's say it will cost $30.000,00 yearly. How many people are using DVD profiler? What will it cost them yearly then $0,50-$1,00? For me, I wouldn't even mind to pay an fee for $10,00-$15,00 if such option was in.

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Why anyone should care, or deny someone else this option is beyond me.

As others already pointed out: It would take Ken time, his most precious commodity, to do this for data we[tm] don't want anyways.
Not to mention that for every structural update of the site that is scraped you'd need to update the importer.

So PluginIn would be the way to go, as already happened for IMDB. And if there isn't anyone interested in writing such a tool you could always use the XML that copy&paste in the DVD Profiler Editor produces to ease the importing.

cya, Mithi

Hello Mithi,

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there is a plugin, only an external program that can do this. Therefore I also asked, that otherwise Invelos, would make it possible to use a lplugin for this. So you can do directly, with plugin. But still then there wil be no control and people will start uploading those data to DVD profilers data base. And that is something you don't want.

I don't see Ken doing this for this specific reason

From imdb as quoted above:

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Robots and Screen Scraping: You may not use data mining, robots, screen scraping, or similar data gathering and extraction tools on this site, except with our express written consent as noted below.

Since Ken don't want to use them for our database (thankfully!)... and with the posts from Ken that I already quoted... I don't see Ken doing this. As it would go against imdb's terms of usage.

I honestly think if you want something like this you would need to use the stand alone programs offered or a pluggin (if there is one... or if one is ever made).