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For me, I wouldn't even mind to pay an fee for $10,00-$15,00 if such option was in.

Good for you, but I won't pay a single cents for something I can get free. I do all my profiling myself using the film credits, so it cost me nothing except my time wich isn't a big deal.

As written by many there is plugin who do that for those who are too lazy to do their profile and, as I said myself, if imdb is so great for them the website is free to use and they can create a movie list and get a free ride on other people hard works.

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Hmm, that's not what I get from the op ....

I don't want to disrespect you, but I think we know what the users want when we are around since 6 years or more (certainly more than someone who is here for a little bit more than 1 months).

As other have said you can use a plugin to do so if you want garbage in your profiles, but don't expect to see that add to DVDP. Ken had said no many times and no serious long time users want to see DVDP turn as an imdb clone. DVDP is a DVD profiler not a film profiler, you want a film profiler just start your web browser and create an account at imdb. It's free and you can create a list of your DVD there, sound like a perfect solution for lazy people.

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While English isn't my native language, I think you may have a problem understanding it....
Where have I said anything about "what the users want" or that I think I know what they want?  I suggest you go back and re-read the posts.

What I said was (I'll save you the trouble) :

"my understanding is he wants the option to be able to import data from an online sourse, as for example, IMDB, to his local profile/machine....NOT to the Invelos database....thus why would anyone care if such an option was to be made available. You use it or you don't."

In other words, "he wants", not you, they, them or us.

It was a question. I couldn't care less if Invelos implements such a tool or not. I am not looking for (such a tool) for myself. I do fine as is, entering my own data. Have been doing so for a lot, lot longer than 6 years.

You are right about one thing, it is a "film profiler" that I want, not a DVD profiler...I think DVDP will do the trick nicely, thanks...as for an IMDB account, thanks, but I already have two, a free one,and a "Pro" one, which was also free....

No, I don't want "garbage" in my profiles, which is precisely why I don't use the DVDP "database", but, you know, to each his own...

Edit : for your information, since you seem so obsessed about the DVDP vs. IMDB databases, and are so freely giving me advice about registering over at IMDB), I trust (and use) one as much as I do the other...and I think the DVDP database is inept....draw your own conclusions..

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Edit : for your information, since you seem so obsessed about the DVDP vs. IMDB databases, and are so freely giving me advice about registering over at IMDB), I trust (and use) one as much as I do the other...and I think the DVDP database is inept....draw your own conclusions..

FYI (and "Invisibleman"):
I've been using this program for about a decade now and equally long at the websites (first Intervocative now Invelos). This IMDb vs. DVDp central db debate has been going on for at least as long. So, seeing the same debate again and again is causing irritations that shine through several of the posts.

As pointed out by others before in this thread, DVDp attempts to document more than IMDb, as it is a disk profiler. The movie profiler is a part of it. Some attach a big meaning to that, others less. The movie part sure has the focus of many of its users; the data on DVD's (DVD video) and BR's that are not a movie is substantially less well fed with contributions.
IMDb only focuses on movies. If you want to import into your local DVDp db, see this thread. You cannot expect this to be listed prominently at the site, as it would probably could cause IMDb to litigate Invelos for doing illegal data gathering. Litigationwise, Invelos even has to be careful not to be seen to support such actions. To incorporate some sort of IMDb-leeching in the program, see the remarks on the cost of licensing. Would Invisibleman fork out 15 k$ because he would be the only one using it? I guess not.
I do like Charlie's suggestion of IMDb licensing import from DVDp, for those profiles that are better researched.. 

Bur realistically: as pointed out earlier in this thread, both IMDb and DVDp have sensible contribution rules. The problem is with the contributors, who handle these rules less respectfully. Both have their own rules for checking contributions. Good or poor, whatever. But to call their whole db (be that IMDb or DVDp) inept is needlessly offensive IMHO and beside the point. If you think a profile needs improvement, send in your improvement contribution!

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The quality of data depends on the seriousness of contributors, and on the quality of rules to insure that each piece of data is entered in one unique form, to allow filtering, searching and linking. And here lies the problem, with rules that promote spelling mistakes that broke all databases functions. I would not say that dvdprofiler database is inept, since its works fine locally. But contribution rules are the most inept thing I never saw in my life (and I worked with many systems that used databases where the quality of data was the most important point). In fact, the best profiles are those who were sent before 2007, before rules were rewritten in a "carbon copy of covers and credits" form. As covers and credits may use different forms for the same "object", a carbon copy of data leads to a total mess.

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This is not possible. In most cases, profiles are bad because the contributor has followed rules (which are inept as I explained just above) and has entered data that do not link.

I'm quite sure that if rules had respected common sense, dvdprofiler would have killed easily all its competitors, as My Movies or CollectorZ.

I am not saying DVDp is perfect, but I am with you to pinpoint the problem(s) on (some of) the contribution rules and not the program. (Though I make an exception for the parsing of names, see the many threads on Asian names...  ). And I share the slight disappointment that it takes so much (calendar) time to improve rules. Though I understand Invelos's single person effort and the various mobile versions had good commercial priority.

But the rules that are contentious have been discussed in other threads already, and it is now up to Invelos to see what it'll address in version 3.x or 4.x, whatever the next version will be. Let's not derail a thread that is basically IMDb vs. DVDp   

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In other words, "he wants", not you, they, them or us.

So you don't know what is a general "you"... 

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I do believe lots of people will gladly pay extra for it, only for the fact that it will make their lives easier as well.

yeah right, we would be so glad to pay more for the lazy people who want a free ride. You want more info in the database contribute, personally I couldn't care less about the hissy fit of someone who wait for the others to do everything for him.

The only way to do that is via a plugin that's all... if you don't want to understand it that's your problem not ours.

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only for the fact that it will make their lives easier as well.

It would??
Really??

Now that is new to me.
Up to now I always thought that IMDb and DVDProfiler data would have severe merging problems.
Crew section:
With IMDb using the credited job and DVDProfiler using Crew-groups you will only get those two together when manually editing the import. This would require to take a look at the actual credits, including the need to find the actual credit, which, if done for all crew-members wouldn't save any time compared to a full audit.

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The identifiers for linking are NOT compatible with the DVDProfiler system and therefore will always require manual editing.

So in how far will make the necessity of manually finding the 10 errors from 150 entries your life easier?

But also in DVDP you have a role in, so you can have a sub that will be like IMDB is. This way is also how the external program is working and it works like so. Or do I miss understand you? So if it can be make it workable by an external program, it surely can be created workable in the program itself.

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... Also this is seeing become lesser and lesser, and more and more you'll find profiles with maybe only a frontcover and also from movies that are not released on DVD or whatever. So according the rules, those shouldn't even be in.

Disks that are not yet released can be contributed, provided a minimum of sensible data is present (in particular the UPC/EAN). Of course such a profile is incomplete / preliminary (like just a minute front cover), due to the very reason it is not yet available.

Invelos has always stated that profiles can be incomplete at first and can improve by subsequent contributions. There is no need --and many times impossible-- to only put in a fully complete profile, certainly if it is still before the release date.

If you have a released retail copy of (whatever) and the profile in the online db is still incomplete, feel free to contribute the missing parts. If you want the profile of a yet-to-be-released disk and are not satisfied by a download from Invelos's online db prerelease data because the data is incomplete: just wait for release, rush to the store and start contributing. Everybody else does 

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That treat and program I know, but that is external and it's not something that I would like to see, I'm sorry. and as I stated out before, if it would be controled by the program itself and nt by an external program, then DVD profiler's database would stay cleaner

As I wrote before, inclusion in the program means spending money by Invelos. It once stated it has hundreds of thousands of users, and if that is (still) correct my guess is the tariff won't be as low as 15k.

The alternative isn't really that bad. Yes, you want it in the program, but it is really just a few extra clicks I can live with, the few times I use DJ Doena's tool. And he is making an effort to keep it up to date. Like everyone else it can give you a head start (provided data is there...), just make sure you correct the errors in the leeched IMDb data against the actual credits, before possibly contributing to DVDp online db.

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...But I don't believe, that I am the only one, will use it. I have no idea how many people are using DVD profiler, the same way I do and maybe they are using that external tool. If it would be build in, then I do believe lots of people will gladly pay extra for it, only for the fact that it will make their lives easier as well. If  I was the only one, then why is that external tool created and is being used by so many?

The presumption you make time and again is that IMDb data is better than DVDp data. Time and again IMBd data has been proven to be incorrect, at least not up to scratch: missing cast, added cast (not present in the credits or in the movie for that matter), misspelt names and/or roles, inproper order... you name it.

Apart from the money issue, which is an issue for Invelos and not us, this is the main thing that, for many here on the forum, I think why your proposal lacks finding support.

There may be correct IMDb credit lists and there are correct DVDp credit lists. Likewise incorrect ones, on both sides. For both contributing better data is the solution (and I do not mean deny the points of surfeur51, these have been stated).

Many of us present in these fora are actual contributors who do make an effort to correctly list cast and crew. To suggest the DVDp data is inept and IMDb data is heaven on earth IS a bad choice of words at best and offensive otherwise.

It seems to me that further discussion is pointless so I'm done with this thread.