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| Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | I realize Contribution Notes stipulate taking the name for an actor's character exactly as credited in title/end credits. However, is it possible for cases where there may be room for debate to err on the side of more complete information?
I'm one of those who prefer more complete role names for actors in TV series and movies. If the information is more complete, why not include it. Oh well... as others think differently, I keep my choices in this area 'local."
Any ideas here? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What about following the Rules do you find hard to deal with. You are free to do anything you wish with your local database, if your data does not conform to the Rules you are NOT free to Contribute it. PERIOD.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | The reason we only use the role listed on the screen is because what is complete and correct for you may not be complete and correct for someone else. Take, as an example, Captain Kirk. I have seen, among others, the following variations:
Captain Kirk
Captain James Kirk
Captain James T. Kirk
Captain James Tiberius Kirk
James T. Kirk, Captain, U.S.S. Enterprise
Admiral Kirk
Admiral James T. Kirk
Who decides what is and isn't correct? Easiest way is to just enter the role listed in the credits. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
What about following the Rules do you find hard to deal with. You are free to do anything you wish with your local database, if your data does not conform to the Rules you are NOT free to Contribute it. PERIOD.
Skip What about being civil and actually answering the question do you find so hard to deal with? Cripes man, he said he was happy to keep them local.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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|   | Kevin | | Registered March 22, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 609 |
| | Posted: | | | | You forgot in the episode Where No Man Has Gone Before, Kirk was "James R. Kirk."  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Chazcdc54: Quote:
I realize Contribution Notes stipulate taking the name for an actor's character exactly as credited in title/end credits. However, is it possible for cases where there may be room for debate to err on the side of more complete information?
I'm one of those who prefer more complete role names for actors in TV series and movies. If the information is more complete, why not include it. Oh well... as others think differently, I keep my choices in this area 'local."
Any ideas here? If the information is more complete, why not include it. Well, in addition to what Unicus said above, you run the risk of adding spoilers when you give too much information about the names of characters. There's usually a good reason why the movie credits are the way they are. And no one can challenge the "correctness" of the actual film credits because that's the information the movie/TV maker wanted you to have. So if you prefer to have more complete role names, keep them in your local database. That way you won't have your | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | You should try cutting the attitude Skip. God, what a jerk you and others can be. You must live for posts like mine so you can leak out more of that hatriolic attitude. However, I shouldn't be surprised considering your smug and annoying behavior during the whole Intervocative/Invelos debacle. But hey, I'm getting off point here. FYI: I rechecked the rules before posting. Many of them came about because of a majority of members wanting or voting for them. Nonetheless, it should be noted that rules or laws can be struck down/overturned. I guess no one wants to go down that road now or probably ever. Unicus stole my thunder a little here. My post was prompted due to the recent update for some of the Star Trek (TOS) sets. Variations on character names do abound at times. I suppose I've opened another can of worms here that will have to stay closed. Thank god we can configure our local databases as we see fit or I would wager there would be few people willing to put up with a lot of the rules imposed on all.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Chaz:
Actually we had quite a few, and the reason you got bit is because in case you didn't notice and obviously you didn't because you didn't bother to look first before crossing the road, there was a parallel thread on precisely the same premise at the SAME time. You stepped into the street and got run over. The examples provided by Unicus and Kevin are precisely correct along with the explanations are precisely correct.
The filmmakers provide the film credits and that is where the data comes from, there is NO other source. You can do whatever you want to locally, and if you lock your data, when you upload teh Invelos will servers will create a clone of your data for ALL to see. You are talking about one Rule which is at the core of how Ken wants the Program to function and will not be changed. If you stop and think about it awhile you should be able to understand the rationale and the wisdom in the system. I know, I know you like IMDb, but they are the single most inaccurate source of data on the internet.
BTW Chaz the thread to which I referred ieven got a direct response from Ken Cole and has since been locked.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | But Skip,
Chazcdc54 never even mentioned IMDB in his post, so you can't say his query has been answered in another thread (I'm assuming you're talking about the IMDB Utility thread).
Granted, you are right - even if the film credits are deemed "incomplete", that is our only source for cast information - but you can't assume that users have simply been too lazy to look for answers.
The search option in the forum is not the best, I've had trouble finding topics I already know exist, and has been mentioned in another thread, it's not even available on the main page. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North:
It's the same premise, a user wanting to make a unilateral determination as to Wwhat HE thinks is appropriate despite what the filmmakers say. Ken made provisions for that through the local database. In MH's case he wanted to use IMDb, who knows what Chaz wants to use but its something other than spelled out in the Rules and represents HIS personal preference, just as MH's did.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 52 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Chaz:
Actually we had quite a few, and the reason you got bit is because in case you didn't notice and obviously you didn't because you didn't bother to look first before crossing the road, there was a parallel thread on precisely the same premise at the SAME time. You stepped into the street and got run over. The examples provided by Unicus and Kevin are precisely correct along with the explanations are precisely correct.
The filmmakers provide the film credits and that is where the data comes from, there is NO other source. You can do whatever you want to locally, and if you lock your data, when you upload teh Invelos will servers will create a clone of your data for ALL to see. You are talking about one Rule which is at the core of how Ken wants the Program to function and will not be changed. If you stop and think about it awhile you should be able to understand the rationale and the wisdom in the system. I know, I know you like IMDb, but they are the single most inaccurate source of data on the internet.
BTW Chaz the thread to which I referred ieven got a direct response from Ken Cole and has since been locked.
Skip What are the accurate sources of film data on the internet to which you compared IMDb? If there are none, then your claim that IMDb is the single most inaccurate source is not founded on anything concrete but is merely your whim. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a connected point, has there ever been an approved way to get a consensus on the names of leads in TV series who only appear in the opening credits without a character name?
I don't mind much what is decided, it's just really annoying seeing it different between seasons! | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a perfect example why we need moderators. Ken please choose someone fast. This is tiresome to read trough. And anybody who reads this, I don't want a comment like "if you don't ike it don't read it". I have every right to read this forum and post as anybody else. I get pissed of when I see someone get attacked just because he/she haven't read all the post in the forum. And I mean that. The search option is like all the other forums I have looked at, very inaccurate.
Sorry all for getting off-topic. | | | | Last edited: by pompel9 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another reason for sticking to roles as credited. Is I've seen some old profiles where the roles were spoilers. Like horror flicks or murder mysteries, when they didn't use the roles from the film credits. Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
On a connected point, has there ever been an approved way to get a consensus on the names of leads in TV series who only appear in the opening credits without a character name?
I don't mind much what is decided, it's just really annoying seeing it different between seasons! If the TV shows main character doesn't have a role name associated with it in the credits. I've been taking the role from the DVD packaging or by trying to stay consisent with the credited roles. Like if they only credit with first names for the credited roles then for the main cast I've been using only first names as well. Another thing I've been doing if someone was not part of the main cast recieved a credited role name but, later became part of the main cast without being credited with a role name I've been using the role name they were credited. If there is no role many times for regular cast members, we have to use this rule for now. If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Voltaire:
Its already in the Rules
"If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:
* If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
* If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
* If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Voltaire:
Its already in the Rules
That doesn't address the consensus point. If you use source a for the role and somebody else uses source b, which is 'correct' to use across all series? | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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