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Different runningtime on BD and DVD
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I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post this, soe please bear with me I have recently bought my first blu-ray player, and I noticed something strange regarding RT of movies. The movie is Casino Royale, I have that also on PAL DVD and the RT on the DVD is 2.18.44. My Blu-Ray version has a RT of 2.24.34. Anyone there got a clue why it is almost 6 minutes difference? Has it something to do with BD is 24fps? I know there is a timedifference on NTSC vs PAL, but I didn't knew it was that on BD vs DVD. Anyway, the contribution I did were with the BD RT on the BD version of it, so I hope that is the right thing to do.
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i am positive that you contributed correctly, however i am a bit lost on why the run times are different... are they both the same or is one ntsc and one pal?
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i am positive that you contributed correctly, however i am a bit lost on why the run times are different... are they both the same or is one ntsc and one pal?

The DVD is Pal and Blu-Ray is..well, blu-ray. AFAIK there is no ntsc/pal on blu-ray and hd-dvd. Just 1080p/24hz(fps) so the timedifference is a mystery to me for now...
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If the Blu-Ray is 24 frames per second, that's NTSC speed and would explain the difference in runtime vs. the PAL dvd. PAL runs at 29.9 fps.
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If the Blu-Ray is 24 frames per second, that's NTSC speed and would explain the difference in runtime vs. the PAL dvd. PAL runs at 29.9 fps.

I have no real insights into this, but I remember this as follows:
NTSC: around 30 frames per second, based on 60Hz frequency
PAL: around 25 frames per second, based on 50Hz frequency

The Blu Ray plays at 24 frames per second, therefore would be about 4% slower (longer) than the regular DVD.
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If the Blu-Ray is 24 frames per second, that's NTSC speed and would explain the difference in runtime vs. the PAL dvd. PAL runs at 29.9 fps.

I have no real insights into this, but I remember this as follows:
NTSC: around 30 frames per second, based on 60Hz frequency
PAL: around 25 frames per second, based on 50Hz frequency

The Blu Ray plays at 24 frames per second, therefore would be about 4% slower (longer) than the regular DVD.


I had it backward and Ya got it right, except the 24 frames per second would play faster than NTSC, but should be undistingusable from 25 fps PAL. No way does 1 frame per second make for 6 minutes. The mystery continues...
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The DVD is PAL.  PAL is 4% faster.  That's 5.76 minutes for a 144 minute movie.  That's your difference.

HD DVD and Blu-ray don't have the 4% PAL speedup like DVDs do.  Clearly your DVD is sped up.  The math works out perfectly.  Mystery solved.
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The DVD is PAL.  PAL is 4% faster.  That's 5.76 minutes for a 144 minute movie.  That's your difference.

HD DVD and Blu-ray don't have the 4% PAL speedup like DVDs do.  Clearly your DVD is sped up.  The math works out perfectly.  Mystery solved.

Not really. The DVD runtime is 2 hours 18 minutes and 44 seconds. Blu-Ray is 2 hours 24 minutes and 34 seconds. So in my case the BD is sped up, and not the DVD 
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The DVD is PAL.  PAL is 4% faster.  That's 5.76 minutes for a 144 minute movie.  That's your difference.

HD DVD and Blu-ray don't have the 4% PAL speedup like DVDs do.  Clearly your DVD is sped up.  The math works out perfectly.  Mystery solved.

Not really. The DVD runtime is 2 hours 18 minutes and 44 seconds. Blu-Ray is 2 hours 24 minutes and 34 seconds. So in my case the BD is sped up, and not the DVD 

No, shorter playing time for the DVD means the DVD is sped up.
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No, shorter playing time for the DVD means the DVD is sped up.


Thanks for the sanity check.  I was confused for a second there!
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The DVD is PAL.  PAL is 4% faster.  That's 5.76 minutes for a 144 minute movie.  That's your difference.

HD DVD and Blu-ray don't have the 4% PAL speedup like DVDs do.  Clearly your DVD is sped up.  The math works out perfectly.  Mystery solved.

Not really. The DVD runtime is 2 hours 18 minutes and 44 seconds. Blu-Ray is 2 hours 24 minutes and 34 seconds. So in my case the BD is sped up, and not the DVD 

Yeah right, and if two people run 100 meters - one of them in 10 seconds, the other one in 15 seconds - of course the one with the 15 seconds had the higher speed.

They should establish this rule at the Olympics, might get me a gold medal. 
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The DVD is Pal and Blu-Ray is..well, blu-ray. AFAIK there is no ntsc/pal on blu-ray and hd-dvd. Just 1080p/24hz(fps) so the timedifference is a mystery to me for now...

The correct answer was given, just to clear things up a bit:
The effect is usually called PAL speed-up and is a bane for all european dvd-watchers.
Although americans are stricken with 3:2 pulldown on NTSC-DVDs(*), so we are about even. 
With HD DVD and BluRay the movie finally can be watched with 24 pictures per second as intended. Or, even better if it is shot with, say 60fps on a digicam that also could be shown on HDTV-equipment without any prior conversion. Movie aficionados heaven.
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NTSC: around 30 frames per second, based on 60Hz frequency
PAL: around 25 frames per second, based on 50Hz frequency

NTSC: 59,94 fields per second respectively 29,97 frames (or pictures) per second
PAL: 50 fields per second, 25 frames per second
The odd frequency for NTSC derives from the method of color-encoding NTSC uses. Grossly simplified: to push in the extra color information into the previous black and white NTSC-picture they "compressed" the 30fps into 29.97fps thus having a bit more space.
PAL uses a totally different (an superior ) method(**) that had color from the start, so they didn't have to manipulate the framerate.

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(*) yes I'm aware that there is no such thing as a NTSC-DVD, but "DVD with a resolution of 480 lines and a frequency of 29,97 fps" might be a bit to complicated for starters
(**) and yes I'm also aware that PAL is roughly 20 years younger, so they had ample time to learn from the shortcomings of NTSC.
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The DVD is PAL.  PAL is 4% faster.  That's 5.76 minutes for a 144 minute movie.  That's your difference.

HD DVD and Blu-ray don't have the 4% PAL speedup like DVDs do.  Clearly your DVD is sped up.  The math works out perfectly.  Mystery solved.

Not really. The DVD runtime is 2 hours 18 minutes and 44 seconds. Blu-Ray is 2 hours 24 minutes and 34 seconds. So in my case the BD is sped up, and not the DVD 

No, shorter playing time for the DVD means the DVD is sped up.


Of course Mark is right. I wrote this at late night/early morning so I mixed it all up . The PAL dvd want to get finish faster than the BD
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Another thing about getting the right speed on home movies for the first time in... ever...  is that now the sound also are correct, the speed up made the music up one half octave (is it called that in english?, music getting a bit lighter/thinner? 
duh.. I should study some English during the holidays  )
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